Dear Ty,
It was so nice meeting you last year. How fitting it is that we met each other in the context of two research projects aptly named “Transnationally Indigenous”1 and “Indigeneity in a Global Context”2?
Who would’ve thought that a member of We Wai Kai First Nation and a half Bidayuh-half Hakka girl from Ottawa would ever meet and connect over issues of identity, belonging, and Indigeneity? I guess life has a funny way of placing people in your path when you least expect it, and most need it.
I have to say, meeting you, a scholar interested in Asian-Indigenous Relationalities, was baffling to me. When I wrote my Master’s thesis in 2019, I felt quite alone in writing about the connection between settlers of colour and Indigenous peoples on Turtle Island. Before I chose where to pursue my Master’s degree, I had spoken with a few professors in a number of universities and was asked with disdain, “Why would you ever research this topic? You’re trying to combine two fields that have nothing to do with each other.” There were many moments of doubt about the significance and purpose of my research.
Yet, here we are 5 years later, and I’m just starting to meet other people who are interested in these intersections. It means more than I can express.
I read your “I, the Gutless Indian”3 article. It’s truly a beautiful piece. Thank you for sharing parts of yourself that we often keep hidden away. I think it takes a lot of courage to put something out there for the world to respond to.
There are so many things that I will never be able to fully understand about your experience.
The collective trauma of residential schools/efforts to “educate” and “civilize” that introduced the (false) concept of “Indigenous deficiency” that you write about. The structural, measured, intentional history of assimilationist policies in this country intended to divide and render people inferior. The painful separation from homelands due to settler colonialism.
While there is so much difference in our experiences, there is also so much that is similar.
You talked about an “Indigeneity that is intellectualized and approximated.”4 I struggle with this one so deeply too.
Because I never learned my mom’s language, most of my knowledge of Bidayuh traditions and customs has come from English-language books and articles I’ve been able to find over the years, or through WhatsApp messages with my aunts. I also only started to learn more about our culture when I entered university and had opportunities to explore it in my Indigenous Studies classes. I’m so grateful I’ve been able to speak with my aunts and grandparents about Bidayuh culture. But I still feel like an imposter.
I struggle with the shame of never having lived in my homelands and feel fraudulent writing about Bidayuh customs and traditions. Who am I to write about this? Is my identity even valid if it’s only been developed in an ivory tower test tube?
And yet, I think about white academics who parachute into an “exotic” community and so easily claim to be an expert. I think about the number of American, Australian, British men I met at Oxford who were self-professed “experts on China”. Why can’t I feel that confident? I am afraid that I might never reach that level of confidence.
You talked about how “…validation was only ever sought through transmutation into a good little white boy” and that you “do not correct people when they call [you] a white man.” Funny how comparing ourselves to whiteness is a universal learned habit.
I cringe thinking about how badly I wished I could pass as white. I remember watching Taylor Swift music videos on Yahoo! Music5, realizing that all of the girls who fell in love were blonde or brunette with blue or green eyes. Because of my last name and inescapable physical appearance, there was no way I could pass as anything other than Asian.
Most people assumed that I was Chinese. When I was a child, I became acutely aware that people had stereotypes and prejudices about “Chinese people”. The pulling of the eyelids, the “ching-chong” chant, the claims that Chinese food smelled bad (which is so absurd looking back. I used to beg my mom for Lunchables instead of bringing any food to school that we actually ate at home. We really thought Lunchables were the peak of the food market?!).
I absolutely hated the idea that someone thought they knew who I was based on what I looked like. I spent so much of my childhood and youth making my identity anything-but-Chinese. This attempt to break out of stereotypes made me hide and reject the fact that my dad was Hakka, who actually are a Chinese sub-ethnic group. One of the most significant memories is when my (white, male) grade 7 religion teacher told me I was Chinese, even after I had corrected him that my parents were from Malaysia. He told me, in front of the class, that all Malaysians were actually Chinese, because he had in fact visited Malaysia before. 6
It became very convenient to tell people I was Malaysian, because they often had no idea where or what that was, and I could control the narrative. It’s now interesting to reflect on the fact that the internalized shame of my Chinese side made me relate a lot more to my Bidayuh side.
I feel embarrassed that my pride in Indigeneity came at the cost of suppressing other parts of myself.
I have finally come to fully accept the unique combination of heritages I have. I used to feel that I couldn’t claim either identity because I wasn’t enough of either of them. It’s a lonely space to be in. Other than my brother, there are not many other half-Hakka, half-Bidayuh, second generation Canadians who grew up in South Ottawa.
Thanks to a wonderful Malaysian psychotherapist, I learned that these notions of what it means to be a “real” Hakka person, or a “real” Bidayuh person that I kept holding myself to and being constantly disappointed that I wasn’t meeting, were all fabricated. Cultures change and evolve every generation. People choose to take some parts of their culture and leave others. People are shaped by new environments and new relationships with other cultures. There just isn’t an answer to the question of how I become a “real” Hakka or Bidayuh person. And I need to stop thinking there is.
You so beautifully say that “[o]vercoming gutlessness involves a radical acceptance of [your] life as an Indigenous one.”7 My journey of overcoming gutlessness involves a radical acceptance of my life as one that is shaped by both my Hakka and Bidayuh heritage, my experience as a child of immigrants, and my experience as a person of colour who benefits from settler colonialism in this country. A radical acceptance that my life involves many intricacies, contradictions and confusion. I’m just starting to find the beauty in the messiness.
The last thing I’ll mention is your discussion of never having visited your homelands. According to Google Maps, you live 230 km from your Nation. I live 12, 433 km from mine. Funny how distance doesn’t seem to matter with this kind of heartache. You talk about living a double consciousness that has “bred an obsession with identity and authenticity.”8 I chuckle ironically to myself because I think this obsession is precisely what connects us so deeply.
Talk soon,
Rebecca
P.S. I learned what the “bildungsroman” term means, thank to you. What are you, an English lit major?!
Dear Rebecca,
I am writing this shortly after I booked my BC Ferries reservation to Victoria for a couple of days from now. I jokingly thought to myself we have broken the world record for fastest pen-pal meeting. That idea stands as a funny what-if, however, because we have already met. And will be meeting again in 72 hours.
I often think about the Indigenous Asia dinner we planned at the Association for Asian Studies Conference 2024 in Seattle, on the unceded, traditional territories of my Coast Salish cousins. When you talk about the serendipitous timing of our meeting, I also think about the gathering we organized, and how somebody came up to me that night with tears in their eyes to say that they wish a gathering like this existed “when they were our age.” 9
While we have both been faced with disdain from other colleagues regarding our lifepaths and academic areas, the gathering was a time and space where both of us did not have to justify Asian-Indigenous relations: because there they were, in multifacted motion, with relationships just like ours coming into being and being renewed.
I chose to speak up and take up space because I did not have to treat my positionality and Indigeneity as a thesis defence. I have not stopped doing so since, and I owe you my deepest gratitude for helping me fight back against my imposter syndrome, and for reminding me that overcoming my sense of gutlessness is relational. 10
Speaking of gutlessness, I also owe so much thanks for taking my creative work seriously and engaging with it analytically, putting your own journey into perspective. I should also thank the deceased Harold Cardinal, whose 1969 book The Unjust Society has oddly done more for my personal identity than it has for my understandings of Indigenous sovereignty. 11
One of my goals in producing such a challenging piece was to allow others to be able to reframe and accept their lives as radically Indigenous, even if “there are so many things [you] will never be able to fully understand about [my] experience”.12 Reading your first letter only further confirmed the thing we have most in common: an internalized obsession with authenticity. As we have both only recently shattered the facades of what it means to be “real” Bidayuh and “real” We Wai Kai peoples, I think of a common destination for both of us despite being on messy, different, sometimes intertwined paths. Let me introduce Leanne Betasamosake Simpson’s call to action, “radical Indigenous resurgence…”
“Radical [Indigenous] resurgence means an extensive, rigorous, and profound reorganizing of things. To me, resurgence has always been about this. It has always been a rebellion and a revolution from within. It has always been about bringing forth a new reality.” 13
A reframing of our lives as radically Indigenous means that there is no pre-set program to follow in “becoming” more Indigenous. We already are! Yet I am cautious to apply Simpson’s ethic equally to both of us, given that I am not a settler on these lands (Turtle Island) we both call home.14 I will never understand what it means to be “a second generation immigrant born on Turtle Island, caught in between [your] ethnic homeland and a Canada that still sees [you] as a foreigner. [You] are at home in neither place.” 15
For over 25 years, scholars have been engaged in arguing that Indigenous and Asian immigrant issues cannot be completely conceptualized together or maintained as completely separate entities.16 What about somebody like you, Rebecca, who is simultaenously juggling what it means to be Biyaduh? A reorganizing of things may feel impossible if there is no stable foundation, a concrete feeling of home, to support you.
Thus I admire your courage to admit that your “journey to reconnect to [your] heritage is deeply connected to [your] journey to learn from the Indigenous peoples [of Turtle Island].”17 I believe that despite being Indigenous to these lands, my journey of overcoming gutlessness equally involves learning from you and others from Indigenous Asia. I wonder if we are the first people from our nations and backgrounds to have met, or if there are stories and crossings we have not yet had the privilege of knowing about.
I will see you in 4 hours.
While I am not yet visiting my homelands, I am on the right waterway towards them. Yet meeting with you in Victoria, which is as close as I have ever been to We Wai Kai, feels different than other trips I have taken before from the mainland to the island. While there will be much leisure and laughs included in this trip, I treat my visit as a way to find beauty in the messiness of Indigeneity and Asian identity together, to march towards radical Indigenous resurgence.
I cannot wait to see how this exchange further enlivens, complicates, and solidifies our small chapter in the larger story of Asian-Indigenous Relations on Turtle Island.
In your presence soon,
Ty
P.S. I am glad you have 1% more media literacy now! In all seriousness, I really did think I would be an English major at some point when I was planning to go right out of high school into undergrad. Maybe I would have crossed paths with you at Oxford, considering that was my dream school.18
- “Transnationally Indigenous” at Simon Fraser University. ↩︎
- Led by Dr. Pooja Parmar at the University of Victoria, Chair of Indigeneity in a Global Context. ↩︎
- Bryant, Ty. “I, The Gutless Indian.” Yellow Medicine Review: A Journal of Indigenous Literature, Art and Thought. Spring 2024: 146-149. ↩︎
- Ibid at 146. ↩︎
- This is a story for another time, but my dad refused to let my brother and I go on YouTube for the first few years it existed. Whatever happened to Yahoo anyways…. ↩︎
- I will pause here and note that my mother was extremely upset and threatened to tell my teacher off at the upcoming parent-teacher interviews. I was so embarrassed and didn’t want my strong-willed, tends-to -sometimes-lose-it-on-people-in-public, Bidayuh mother making a big deal that I begged her not to say anything. Looking back, it’s actually one of my biggest regrets that I didn’t let her go off on that teacher. Mr. Sweeney, I remember you. ↩︎
- Bryant, Ty. “I, The Gutless Indian.” Yellow Medicine Review: A Journal of Indigenous Literature, Art and Thought. Spring 2024 at 149. ↩︎
- Ibid. ↩︎
- Conversation with an anonymous attendee, Association for Asian Studies 2024 Indigenous Asia scholarly dinner. Organized by Rebecca Wong and Ty Bryant. Hosted by Michael Hathaway and Pooja Parmar. ↩︎
- Bryant, Ty. “I, The Gutless Indian.” Yellow Medicine Review: A Journal of Indigenous Literature, Art and Thought. Spring 2024: 146-149. ↩︎
- Cardinal’s book is famous for being an outright rebuttal to the introduction of the White Paper by the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs, Jean Chretien, in 1969. The paper sought to eradicate the Indian Act which would remove separate legal status for Indigenous peoples, absolving the Canadian nation-state of all complicity and responsibility regarding colonialism, effectively “wiping the slate clean”. Cardinal’s most famous line from the book is that “the only good Indian is a non-Indian.” Yet 55 years later what I find more striking is his commentary about internalized shame and identity issues stemming from colonization. While this type of analysis makes up small chunks of the book, it is what I have found most generative for my own writing and ways of rebelling against the Indigeneity within that I thought I knew well, but was just a false image. ↩︎
- Wong, Rebecca. Letter to Ty Bryant. July 19, 2024. ↩︎
- Simpson, Leanne Betasamosake. “I am not afraid to be radical.” Indianz. July 17, 2018. https://indianz.com/News/2018/07/17/leanne-betasamosake-simpson-i-am-not-afr.asp. For more, please see their book As We Have Always Done: Indigenous Freedom Through Radical Resistance. ↩︎
- Turtle Island is a sacred Indigenous term for the lands frequently known as the Americas. ↩︎
- Wong, Rebecca, “Bridging the Gap: Indigenous Nations, Settler-Nations and Newcomers on Turtle Island.” Master’s thesis. Oxford University at 1 ↩︎
- Curthoys, Ann. “An Uneasy Conversation: The Multicultural and the Indigenous.” In Race, Colour and Identity in Australia and New Zealand, edited by John Docker and Gerhard Fischer. 2000. Sydney: University of New South Wales Press. For more also see the works of Grave Kyungwon Hong and Roderick Ferguson on how Western thought requires there to be discrete categories of people, lands, and nations. ↩︎
- Wong, Rebecca, “Bridging the Gap: Indigenous Nations, Settler-Nations and Newcomers on Turtle Island.” Master’s thesis. Oxford University at 1 ↩︎
- I refuse to believe there are English lit majors who do not have a phase of wanting to study at Oxford. No one argue me. ↩︎
Citation: Wong, Rebecca, and Bryant, Ty. “When Pen Pals Meet Again: Bidayuh & We Wai Kai Cross Currents”. Asian Indigenous Relations, 2024. https://asianindigenousrelations.ca/when-pen-pals-meet-again-bidayuh-we-wai-kai-cross-currents/.
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